Comments on: Love your neighbor http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/ spiritual awakening and enlightenment in today's world Mon, 24 Oct 2011 16:08:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: greenfrog http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/comment-page-1/#comment-5049 greenfrog Fri, 06 Apr 2007 04:19:26 +0000 http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/#comment-5049 This post captured my attention, as it resonated with the surprise I felt at the end of a two week period when I was practicing a formal metta meditation each morning. I found myself suffused with love for the people around me. Before then, I had supposed that love was a kind of mysterious grace that appeared unexpectedly and departed as unexpectedly. To find that love can be, instead, a way of life that can be cultivated and developed was noteworthy, but not startling. The startling part was that I found myself feeling it, too. This post captured my attention, as it resonated with the surprise I felt at the end of a two week period when I was practicing a formal metta meditation each morning. I found myself suffused with love for the people around me. Before then, I had supposed that love was a kind of mysterious grace that appeared unexpectedly and departed as unexpectedly. To find that love can be, instead, a way of life that can be cultivated and developed was noteworthy, but not startling.

The startling part was that I found myself feeling it, too.

]]> By: Hamza Darrell Grizzle http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/comment-page-1/#comment-4865 Hamza Darrell Grizzle Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:06:12 +0000 http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/#comment-4865 Yikes! That comment above was supposed to go on the thread about the Golden Path... Yikes! That comment above was supposed to go on the thread about the Golden Path…

]]> By: Hamza Darrell Grizzle http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/comment-page-1/#comment-4852 Hamza Darrell Grizzle Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:22:54 +0000 http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/#comment-4852 I still don't understand how the slogan sells socks. Have gold-toed socks been shortened? Do they no longer go all the way to the toes? I still don’t understand how the slogan sells socks. Have gold-toed socks been shortened? Do they no longer go all the way to the toes?

]]> By: Peter http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/comment-page-1/#comment-4835 Peter Fri, 02 Mar 2007 06:09:19 +0000 http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/#comment-4835 Two comments here, one external, the other internal: First, on the level of ideas: have you ever read the conservative theologian John Piper, of Desiring God Ministries? He describes himself as a "Christian hedonist" with the saying: "God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him." The idea is that the saying "Delight yourself in the Lord" is a commandment, and [very much in line with your post here] the delight in God and in love is an essential component of love for Him and for all His creatures. Yes, love is a grace, and love is a choice; I believe the grace comes first, because without it we have no power to make the choice....If we love only out of duty, without feeling (or desire, deep feeling), it will become dry and lifeless. Second, internally, I have had this kind of experience quite recently too, like you had at work, and like Meredith had at Quaker meeting. Our meetings are not so quiet, but often when basic teaching or dialogue are happening (which they freely do in our meetings, for which I am grateful), I am aware of but not much involved in the procedings, and I am "taken up" into an awareness of the beauty and the glory of each one there--especially the children!--I see a tiny glimpse of what God sees in each one (because it is that spark of His divine nature that He is continually creating there). This can be emotionally overwhelming, the grace of love....Sometimes lately it has been too much for me to contain, and I have asked permission to share what I see, to encourage these beautiful saints who so seldom can see any of this in themselves--though they are growing in this giftedness too. I guess I am not so spiritual as you are to be able to see this at work: my workplace is a place of conflict much of the time, spiritual conflict and personality conflict; and it is a real challenge to see the image of God in people in whom it seems to be so carefully hidden! I guess it is perfectly safe (and wise) to pray for grace here too, and to continue to act lovingly and to believe that this treasure is hidden in there; to work to dig it out and honor it when it shows up--a big job, requiring more love energy than the "job" itself. I suspect this is my real job! Blessings to all, Peter Two comments here, one external, the other internal:
First, on the level of ideas: have you ever read the conservative theologian John Piper, of Desiring God Ministries? He describes himself as a “Christian hedonist” with the saying: “God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him.” The idea is that the saying “Delight yourself in the Lord” is a commandment, and [very much in line with your post here] the delight in God and in love is an essential component of love for Him and for all His creatures. Yes, love is a grace, and love is a choice; I believe the grace comes first, because without it we have no power to make the choice….If we love only out of duty, without feeling (or desire, deep feeling), it will become dry and lifeless.
Second, internally, I have had this kind of experience quite recently too, like you had at work, and like Meredith had at Quaker meeting. Our meetings are not so quiet, but often when basic teaching or dialogue are happening (which they freely do in our meetings, for which I am grateful), I am aware of but not much involved in the procedings, and I am “taken up” into an awareness of the beauty and the glory of each one there–especially the children!–I see a tiny glimpse of what God sees in each one (because it is that spark of His divine nature that He is continually creating there). This can be emotionally overwhelming, the grace of love….Sometimes lately it has been too much for me to contain, and I have asked permission to share what I see, to encourage these beautiful saints who so seldom can see any of this in themselves–though they are growing in this giftedness too.
I guess I am not so spiritual as you are to be able to see this at work: my workplace is a place of conflict much of the time, spiritual conflict and personality conflict; and it is a real challenge to see the image of God in people in whom it seems to be so carefully hidden! I guess it is perfectly safe (and wise) to pray for grace here too, and to continue to act lovingly and to believe that this treasure is hidden in there; to work to dig it out and honor it when it shows up–a big job, requiring more love energy than the “job” itself. I suspect this is my real job!
Blessings to all,
Peter

]]> By: Trev Diesel http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/comment-page-1/#comment-4833 Trev Diesel Thu, 01 Mar 2007 21:21:44 +0000 http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/#comment-4833 “Feeling love is possible! It’s fun!”

As with everything, I think it’s a Both-And instead of an Either-Or. In other words the love as feeling and the love as action are both true and necessary. In fact, it’s possible that one always leads to the other… it’s the “fake it till you make it” when you’re not feeling it… which will lead you to possibly feeling it. And when you are feeling it, you can’t help but act! It’s one of life’s greatest joys.

]]> By: book lover http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/comment-page-1/#comment-4804 book lover Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:55:38 +0000 http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/#comment-4804 What a wonderful post. And so true too. Love is a choice...When I choose to live in love...peace soon follows...amazing how that works...I love your site...thanks for being an agent of change... peace What a wonderful post. And so true too.

Love is a choice…When I choose to live in love…peace soon follows…amazing how that works…I love your site…thanks for being an agent of change…

peace

]]> By: james souttar http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/comment-page-1/#comment-4802 james souttar Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:43:34 +0000 http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/#comment-4802 What a lovely post. And what a lovely experience! ;-) Actually, it seems to me that there are two 'Graces' here. First, there is the Grace that predisposed you to make the intention to love. Without this fundamental Grace, we cannot even conceive of doing this. Then there was the Grace that came because the combination of the first Grace, and your effort to align yourself with it (and not to be diverted from your intention) created an opportunity for it to enter, or 'descend'. My first reaction to your point about love being 'a willingness to help' was that it was wrong, but actually I realize that it is correct (although not properly expressed). We cannot love without the Grace that gives us the predisposition and willingness to love, and the Grace that is the manifestation of Love in us. All we can do, ourselves, is be willing to help Love - and even this we cannot do without the desire to help being manifested in us. But, as you say, there is more to it than this. I was taught - not as a Christian, but among the Sufis - that Love is an energy. It is the only unconditioned energy in the universe - the only form of energy that is not produced by something else within the universe, and thus it is the fundamental energy of the creation. The feeling of Love is therefore not Love itself, but <i>the way Love affects our feelings</i>. What a lovely post. And what a lovely experience! ;-)

Actually, it seems to me that there are two ‘Graces’ here. First, there is the Grace that predisposed you to make the intention to love. Without this fundamental Grace, we cannot even conceive of doing this.

Then there was the Grace that came because the combination of the first Grace, and your effort to align yourself with it (and not to be diverted from your intention) created an opportunity for it to enter, or ‘descend’.

My first reaction to your point about love being ‘a willingness to help’ was that it was wrong, but actually I realize that it is correct (although not properly expressed). We cannot love without the Grace that gives us the predisposition and willingness to love, and the Grace that is the manifestation of Love in us. All we can do, ourselves, is be willing to help Love – and even this we cannot do without the desire to help being manifested in us.

But, as you say, there is more to it than this. I was taught – not as a Christian, but among the Sufis – that Love is an energy. It is the only unconditioned energy in the universe – the only form of energy that is not produced by something else within the universe, and thus it is the fundamental energy of the creation. The feeling of Love is therefore not Love itself, but the way Love affects our feelings.

]]> By: Meredith http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/comment-page-1/#comment-4772 Meredith Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:53:57 +0000 http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/#comment-4772 Nice post, Jon. I, too, have had this experience many times. Sometimes, usually during Quaker Meeting, this feeling just comes over me, and I begin to think about each person there, and as though I was an invisible presence in the room, I begin to mentally hold them, cradle them, in love. What comes first - the feeling or the decision? What compels and promotes this feeling when it just happens out of nowhere? That's a part of the mystery I have grown to love. Nice post, Jon. I, too, have had this experience many times. Sometimes, usually during Quaker Meeting, this feeling just comes over me, and I begin to think about each person there, and as though I was an invisible presence in the room, I begin to mentally hold them, cradle them, in love.

What comes first – the feeling or the decision? What compels and promotes this feeling when it just happens out of nowhere? That’s a part of the mystery I have grown to love.

]]> By: A. Julie http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/comment-page-1/#comment-4771 A. Julie Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:28:48 +0000 http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/#comment-4771 I'd agree that feeling is part of it but it is not all of it... love is also that willingness to help, even when you don't want to - it's the conscious decisions that we make about our attitudes and actions toward one another. <i>"In my experience it involves some kind of decision not to oppose the way reality presents itself to you."</i> Nice. The warm fuzzies are a lot of fun, but whaddaya do when they fade? I’d agree that feeling is part of it but it is not all of it… love is also that willingness to help, even when you don’t want to – it’s the conscious decisions that we make about our attitudes and actions toward one another.

“In my experience it involves some kind of decision not to oppose the way reality presents itself to you.” Nice.

The warm fuzzies are a lot of fun, but whaddaya do when they fade?

]]> By: Jon http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/comment-page-1/#comment-4768 Jon Mon, 19 Feb 2007 05:32:42 +0000 http://frimmin.com/2007/02/16/love-your-neighbor/#comment-4768 Uwe, Jacoby, welcome! Uwe, Jacoby, welcome!

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